Targets

Subject: Targets Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:52 pm

Hi John,
What are your preferred targets in real-world engagements? I know your number one target is the head, specifically the jaw (as it is with almost all the street-experienced guys I know). But how about other targets? Which ones have you found the most potently effective AND realistic to attack starting from other targets on the head then working your way down?

Thank you my friend. Take care and God bless...

Best Regards,
Lito
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forehead - ko blow- attacker will usually fall forward but not always.
side of head paricularly the ear. attacker will crumple or fall backward to the opposite side to where he/she!! was struck. will not always be out cold but totally disorientated.
just behind the ear and on the nape of the neck- antagonist will lurch forward and stumble could go down -out- or will be disorientated.

Other than the above and the jaw, the sternum, groin and neck are really the only other two targets for me. Of course If I'm sweeping the legs!!

And if I go to ground any target that I can get with my teeth.

Although I don't target the eyes for pre-empts. I do target the eyes in standing grapples or on the ground only to get me back to striking the jaw or head or to get me standing.

Be careful when practising eye gounges or pokes etc, as a friend of mine lost his eye when it was scooped out of his eye socket by a thumb when sparring bare knuckle.
He found it again tee hee but it was usless.
Take care
John

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Hi John,
I'm curious about the forehead blow. Which part of the forehead do you aim for, just above the bridge of the nose or dead centre?
Also what do you use to strike with, punch, palm, hammerfist or something else?
Thanks and regards,
Peter

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punch- dead centre of the forhead where the frown line meets the centre of the eyebrows. some know this as the third eye area. you don't have to be precise just thump the forhead as hard as you can. Its a big target I like big targets.

You can use the palm to good effect - not my choice of strike but it will do the job if youve trained palms well. You can also push up the forhead with the lead hand palm and punch or palm again on the jaw with the rear hand or fist. This is hard to do if the head is already coming forward in attack mode but its great as a pre-emptive strike.
Thanks
John

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Haha I remember last summer when you told me about toppling that big guy with the overhand right to the forehead John. He was out on his feet and toppled like a tree Smile

Jeff

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Hi Jeff hope your well mate, Hows the writing going? Yes the head is the main target, Hard to miss really. He was a big, big, bigman with lots of bottle! But deceptive methods took him apart.
John

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Hi John

Writing's going well, thanks for asking. Just finished my third novel and am revising it as we speak.

How about you and your writing? Any bites yet?

Hope you're well

Jeff

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Wouldn't like to repeat it in case I missed, mind you That was some years ago and I'm a lot more accurate now. There are some could clips knocking around of boxers hitting the forehead and getting clean ko's can't think of anyone specific though.
Take care mate
John

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Wouldn't you think that with punching the forehead you run a bigger risk of fracturing or breaking your knuckles?
Mo Teague wrote an article a while back where he reckoned that he used the palm heel to this spot while he was working the doors in a biker bar with a lot of sucess.
Thanks,
Peter

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Just watched an old Tyson clip where he knocked a guy clean out with an overhand right to the forehead.

Tim Witherspoon was known for this from time to time as well.

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can you put a link up jeff of those clips
cheers
John

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It was KO number 5 on the list

Subject: Re: Targets Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:31 am

Hi Jeff,
Great clips pal! Man, it's too bad Cus D' Amato and Jimmy Jacobs died and that Kevin Rooney didn't remain his one and only trainer. Those three men were able to and would have kept Tyson focused. I think if those three men (maybe even with just Jacobs and Rooney) had been around to guide him sans Robin Givens, Tyson could have gone down as the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time. Oh well, stuff happens...

This Tyson montage of one-punch KO shots definitely showcased the four most potent knockout punches to the most prolific target--the head: the left (lead) hook, the straight right (rear) hand, the overhand right (rear) and, though not acknowledged by some boxing pundits, the right (rear) hook. No one would go wrong adopting any one or all four as their bread-and-butter KO shots too. Three out of the four are certainly my favs. I haven't KO'd anybody with an overhand shot, just hooks and straights (with palms). Anyway...

Thanks for posting the link buddy. I haven't watched Tyson in awhile. I think I'm gonna break out my "Tyson's Greatest Hits" video later and enjoy more of his KOs...

Take Care,
Lito
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Yeah, he was fun to watch back in the day. Shame what happened to him, although I'll disagree with you here my friend. Even at his BEST I don't think he could have hung with many of the legends in the sport.

A young Foreman would have bounced him around like he did Frazer and Norton, and Ali would have beaten his weak mind even before stepping into the ring before coasting to an easy UD. I also believe a YOUNG Larry Holmes would have boxed him to death.

I'd even put Jersey Joe Walcott up there to take Tyson out.

Don't get me wrong, Tyson was a beast and deserves to be mentioned among the best, but he was mentally weak, and fought little to no competition. Guys were terrified of him before they even stepped in the ring. He won many of his fights on his rep alone. The fighters that DID push him back and stand-up to him gave him trouble (Mitch Green, Tony Tucker, Buster Douglas, Holyfield)
Tyson couldn't fight going backwards.

Think about it. In his prime (and I admit this isn't his fault) who did he really beat? A blown-up Spinks with two bad knees past his prime? An old, injured Holmes? Bonecrusher Smith? Trevor Berbick? Contrast these to the likes of George Chuvalo, Jerry Quarry, Ezzard Charles, Gerry Cooney, Max Schmelling, Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, and so forth who were considered decent fighters at the time compared to the likes of Foreman, Frazer, Louis, Ali, and Marciano.

Ok, I think I've ranted enough for now Wink