Line-up Training

Joined : 07 Nov 2007 Posts : 84

How do you guys train the line-up and the preemptive assault. Do you use focus pads and aggressive verbal, the padded assailant scenario approach, or some other method. What have you found to be the most effective way of addressing this tricky element.

Joined : 15 Aug 2007 Posts : 35

All of the above, plus visualisation, visualisation on bag/bob, visualisation using the TV (lining up villians and bad guys on movies and CCTV shows).

For me (obviously) I love the bulletman approach. When we train together (as opposed to putting on public courses) we get really creative.

One of the cool things you can do in our suit is slip or block the pre-emptive and then get into a nasty fight. Or you can let it in full bore and react accordingly. So we can create all manner of mayhem.

Dik

Joined : 07 Nov 2007 Posts : 84

Dik,

When it comes to padded assailant training, I feel anticipation on the part of the assailant becomes a bit of a double edged sword. I fashioned a couple of Tuff Guy suits, as per Garth's directions, and set about trying to create the most authentic line-up experience I possibly could for my students, which I think I've been successful at. But when I worked with my assistant instructor, we would tend to make matters as hard as possible for each other, just as you've suggested that you do with your guys. Before too long, I found myself having to feint in order to land anything prodigious, This is largely because he knows all of my line-ups, what to expect, and reacts accordingly.

Now, I've never actually feinted in a real line-up before, though I think it would likely work. I wonder if we're not just over complicating matters.

Joined : 15 Aug 2007 Posts : 35

Exactly.

When you are in the suit, you also have to play the part of someone who isn't aware of what's coming. You have to let the shot come and take it.

This is where our suits score so highly. They can do that, time after time.

Dik

Joined : 08 Apr 2008 Posts : 28 Location : Riverside ,CA

For line up training there isn't anything better than the padded assailant suit. It's the closest thing to a real fight while being responsible and preventing stupid injuries. When I'm in the suit for Rusty there are times when I'll play the part and let him blast me but then I also play an aggressor that is turned on and knows what to look for. I think you can get some good training using focus pads but it still leaves something out.

Subject: Re: Line-up Training Sat May 03, 2008 10:08 am

Hi Rusty et al,
When it comes to ASYMMETRICAL line-up/preemptive striking/follow-up barraging training I agree, partner training-wise, padded assailant suit usage is the best (for reasons you guys already specified) followed by Thai pad (using the thick width ones) usage then focus mitts.

Going off on a tangent for a moment, I prefer thick width Thai pads over focus mitts (or any other piece of partner hand-held equipment for that matter) because it's more versatile and realistic than focus mitts. A thick width Thai pad more closely simulates a human head three-dimensionally than any other piece of hand-held equipment (the hammerhead is technically a better design but is too hard on the hands and can't be held with as much stability as a Thai pad) thus allowing the striker to throw straights, hooks, and overhands spontaneously as desired without the holder needing to readjust/reposition the pad. With a thick width Thai pad, the striker can independently dictate for himself what shots he wants/needs to throw at any given moment without the holder having to constantly readjust the pad as needed with a focus mitt. Granted the Thai pad's one weakness is that the uppercut angle is not readily available due to its flat surface (one area the hammerhead has a technical advantage). But that doesn't bother me as I don't employ bare-handed uppercuts that much in real-world engagements anyway.

Rusty, Dik, and Vic, I second the viewpoints you guys expressed on the superiority of using a padded assailant suited partner over all else when it comes to asymmetrical training.

Oh, when it comes to solo training, a BOB mannequin and a tape-target laden heavy bag are my equipment of choice.

In terms of training methodology, as you guys already alluded to, I simulate real-world conditions as much as possible through realistic role-playing and such on both sides AND, most definitely, go all-out with full-power contact in everything physically executed. With solo training, detailed/graphic visualization is the key element to inject "realism" in place of partner interaction.

On a closing note, I advocate doing loads and loads of repetitions to ingrain proactive responses NOT reactions. I'm sure you guys do too...

Anyway, take care gents...

Best Regards,
Lito
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On a closing note, I advocate doing loads and loads of repetitions to ingrain proactive responses NOT reactions. I'm sure you guys do too...

Nice one Lito

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Joined : 08 Apr 2008 Posts : 28 Location : Riverside ,CA

For toughs of you that do scenarios, do you add a few that doesn't require a physical response? In our training we will have some that are blatantly obvious, some that are nothing more than someone asking for the time and than some were the aggressor plays off of the good guy (it could go either way depending on how the situation is delt with).

Joined : 15 Aug 2007 Posts : 35

Absolutely.

And also add in something verbal on the end of something physical to make people jump states.

Dik