To protect and to Serve

Subject: To protect and to Serve Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:57 am

Hi

These people Disgust me.

What do you think?

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3822534n

http://view.break.com/451677

tc

T

Subject: Re: To protect and to Serve Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:55 am

Hi Theodore,
Yeah, it does look bad. With that said, don't fall into the trap of lumping all police officers together and perceiving them all as bad. There are "bad apples" in every "orchard." In other words, there are bad employees in any/every profession. For example, there are bad firemen, bad doctors, bad teachers, bad lawyers, bad engineers, bad coaches, etc, etc. I think you get the drift...

Keep in mind, while police officers are placed on a higher pedestal of conduct because of the authority bestowed upon them, they are human too, subject to the same frailties and weaknesses that every other human being, in any other profession, has. With that said, I'm by no means condoning inappropriate actions. For any officer who's slipped through the cracks and/or fallen off the wagon, if he/she is found guilty of wrongful conduct, after a thorough investigation, then as an individual responsible for his/her own actions, he/she should suffer the same consequences for their wrongful actions like anyone else in the wrong should.

On the whole, individually and collectively, police officers put their lives on the line everyday to protect and serve the good (and even the bad) citizens in society. Instead of running away from danger, they run towards it and engage it. Police officers are the ones who maintain the "thin blue line" between good and evil, order and anarchy in the societies they live in. Police officers are willing to sacrifice their lives to protect the citizens they serve...

It is bad and sad whenever a few apples (in any profession) lose their composure and go astray. However, always remember, a few bad ones don't represent an entire orchard. Have a good, not spiteful heart and use critical, not emotional thinking to be objective and unbiased as much as possible, so that you don't become what you despise in others...

Take Care,
Lito
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Joined : 23 Aug 2007 Posts : 43

Hear-freakin'-hear!!!

Think of all the mistakes, big or small, you make in a day. Think about how consequent they are in the grand scheme of things.

Now imagine that nearly every day, people's lives hang in the balance of nearly every decision and action you make. Imagine the consequences of any mistakes now. Now consider the possible effects on you of this pressure, and of regularly seeing and dealing with things you could not possibly imagine.

Welcome to the world of the police officer, soldier, emergency responder--the warrior. Anyone who runs toward what others flee from. Nobody's perfect. Some are less perfect than others. Except in rare cases, they're worthy of at least some respect and gratitude.

Subject: Re: To protect and to Serve Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:16 pm

This is one of the draw backs with viewing video clips online, you dont have nearly enough information to build a complete picture.

As Lito said there are bad apples in every orchard, the majority in public service are badly let down by the rogue element so we must be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush.

I viewed the bottom clip and and thought the cop began to realise that he had gone too far and tried to provoke more of a reaction from the youngster to justify his actions then again maybe the kids get told ten times a day not to skate board in this area and at some point you have to draw a line, as I said we need all the facts if we are going to make judgements.

Alan

Admin Joined : 16 Aug 2007 Posts : 232

Not good, not good at all.

That said, certainly in the UK the investigation process for these types of incidents should they result in a complaint is very very extensive and the penalties very hard hitting.

I think that is as it should be when society delegates authority to organisations. The members of those organisations and the training they receive needs to be held to suitably high standards. When it goes wrong then the investigation needs to be comprehensive and uncompromising.

I also think that when I see someone acting like an a** I see a person not an organisation or profession. If I saw a guy who was an architect acting like an a** then I would think, "That guy is an idiot." I wouldn't think, "That architect is an idiot."

Age : 52 Joined : 07 Jan 2008 Posts : 40 Location : England

In the first clip, to me they need sacking for the disgraceful way they treated the handicapped guy and in so doing bringing the service into disrepute.

As for the second clip, I'd be hard put to respect that officer, whether he's enforcing by-laws or not. Just those legs and yellow body vest (who dreampt that up, a canary lover?) would have me pissing myself, even without the noddy car. The best thing the kids could have done is run off, he's far too fat to catch them ....

Always assuming they don't shoot skateboarders over there!

Admin Joined : 16 Aug 2007 Posts : 232

He was foaming at the mouth when the kid called him "dude"

Lord help us if any of the kids had made a run for it!

That guy should watch some footage of what real police officers have to handle on a daily basis. Dealing with dangerous, violent individuals... often with nothing more than an ASP and some CS.

I really hope the officers in the first clip have been binned and that guy in the second clip is brought to bear for being what is essentially a good old fashioned bully on a power trip. I suspect he had his head flushed down one too many toilets as a teenager. Smile

Joined : 17 Aug 2007 Posts : 46

I see a serious need for training, but a really serious requirement for a culture change. The actions of the officer in the first clip would probably be considered as OK by her fellow officers. I perceive there has to be a 'new broom' in that departments. The individual officers actions were unacceptable to norman people, but were probably not out of the ordinary for the department.

As Chris said, I hope the officers in the clip have been binned, but a much larger monster now looms on their employers horizon.

Coops

Subject: Re: To protect and to Serve Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:51 am

[quote="Ari"]Hear-freakin'-hear!!!

Think of all the mistakes, big or small, you make in a day. Think about how consequent they are in the grand scheme of things.

Hi

What do you get up to on an average day?

I've never pushed a disabled man out of a wheelchair or lost it with a little kid for nothing and Im not trained?

Your point doesnt hold up, unless you think behaviour like this is common, it is'nt in my world.lol

Obviously all LEOs arent like this, does that mean we should ignore this?

T

Subject: Re: To protect and to Serve Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:01 pm

"theodore" or whoever you are,
You said: